Rachel Johnson

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Dinosaurs….Did They Walk With Man?

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Dinosaurs….Did they walk with man? Do you believe in fairy tales? No? Great then let me show you why the creationist argument for dinosaurs has no facts and all fairy tales. The material I am using and quoting is from Answers in Genesis. Org. All quotes are taken from the site, feel free to laugh at will.

1.”Other than the huge size of some dinosaurs, the major feature that really distinguishes dinosaurs from other reptiles (such as crocodiles) is the position of their limbs. Dinosaurs had posture that was fully erect, similar to that in mammals. Most other reptiles have limbs in a sprawling position. For instance, compare the way a crocodile “walks” with that of, say, a cow. Dinosaurs would have moved like a cow, with the limbs supporting the body from beneath. Crocodiles “waddle,” as their limbs project sideways from their body.”

A: Dinosaurs differed in many things. In their pelvis and the position of the foot, in their posture, and in their homeostasis. They did not waddle like reptiles, they walked. They also ran, jumped, though not like some information has shown. Their posture was not fully erect. Some of them could stand up on their hind legs.  They did not “stand” up, they were semi-erect, and balanced with their tails. Some of them were facultatively bipedal, some of them were quadrupedal.

2.”Some were as small as chickens, and others were even smaller. Of course, some dinosaurs were very large, weighing in at an estimated 80 tons and standing 40 feet high! The average size of a dinosaur, however, was probably about that of a small horse.”

A: There was no average size to dinosaurs. Over time they grew larger and larger until their environment changed. Over time they grew to be massive, and some developed armor. Argentina-saurus has been estimated to top out at 110 tons (220,000) pounds. It is so far the largest dinosaur ever found.

3. “The story we have all heard from movies, television, newspapers, and most magazines and textbooks is that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago. According to evolutionists, the dinosaurs “ruled the Earth” for 140 million years, dying out about 65 million years ago. However, scientists do not dig up anything labeled with those ages. They only uncover dead dinosaurs (i.e., their bones), and their bones do not have labels attached telling how old they are. The idea of millions of years of evolution is just the evolutionists’ story about the past. No scientist was there to see the dinosaurs live through this supposed dinosaur age. In fact, there is no proof whatsoever that the world and its fossil layers are millions of years old. No scientist observed dinosaurs die. Scientists only find the bones in the here and now, and because many of them are evolutionists, they try to fit the story of the dinosaurs into their view.”

A:It is called Carbon dating. Also Uranium dating, and Argon dating. No paleontologist can say the moment when that dinosaur died, but here is what we can do as smart guys. We look at the area where the dinosaur was found. We look at what it was found in. Then we look at the location, and the information we have from looking around the world. We know that the sand, or earth dinosaurs are found in do not always reveal the results, and since carbon dating only goes so far we often use radon, or argon, sometime uranium. If we have igneous rock close by we can date it. This is accurate to within 1 million years. Yes that is a lot, but 1 million vs millions, is not a lot of years, because you believe that dinosaurs died and fossilized to stone in six thousand years, that is a huge difference. It is not possible. Otherwise every human fossil we have found would also be fossilized to stone. If the facts don’t fall in line, then your probably making things up.

4.”God made everything in six days. He did this, by the way, to set a pattern for mankind, which has become our seven day week (as described in Exodus 20:11). God worked for six days and rested for one, as a model for us. Furthermore, Bible scholars will tell you that the Hebrew word for day used in Genesis 1, can only mean an ordinary day in this context.”

A: There is no way this planet was covered with millions of species trying to compete for food in 6 days time. I will leave the nonsense to come out of this part, but it would not even make sense for god to be playing dice with DNA and  biological structures. Not to mention how things seem to progress as they go like they were slowly changing over time. Plus layers of earth that show a trail of fossils and each of them seems separate from the other, so unless he made the stuff and killed it every day and then buried it, not possible.

5 “.Evolutionists claim that dinosaurs evolved over millions of years. They imagine that one kind of animal slowly changed over long periods of time to become a different kind of animal. For instance, they believe that amphibians changed into reptiles (including dinosaurs) by this gradual process. This would mean, of course, that there would have been millions of creatures during that time that would be “in between,” as amphibians evolved into reptiles. Evidence of these “transitional forms,” as they are called, should be abundant. However, many fossil experts admit that not one unquestionable transitional form between any group of creatures and another has been found anywhere. If dinosaurs evolved from amphibians, there should be, for example, fossil evidence of animals that are part dinosaur and part something else. However, there is no proof of this anywhere. In fact, if you go into any museum you will see fossils of dinosaurs that are 100% dinosaur, not something in between. There are no 25%, 50%, 75%, or even 99% dinosaurs—they are all 100% dinosaur! ”

A: This is the intermediate stuff, that is fun. Cause you know when something mutates it does not look the same, So next thing you know you have a half dino, half giraffe walking around, right? No. What you get is a slow change to a new species. Looking back through time though you have to start to notice those changes and put them in order. Then you identify them by that order, and call that a group, then you make a bigger group and call that a species, and then a phylum and kingdom. Because mutations are not drastic. If you weighed five thousand pounds and grew gills it is not going to help you to swim, or stay alive. So mutations that don’t work, don’t survive. If it survives, it breeds, and it stays. But there are no intermediates. None. Everything is something, that with time may become a new species if mutations that suit the environment come along and cause a positive change.

6.” The Bible teaches (in Genesis 1:29–30) that the original animals (and the first humans) were commanded to be vegetarian. There were no meat eaters in the original creation. Furthermore, there was no death. It was an unblemished world, with Adam and Eve and animals (including dinosaurs) living in perfect harmony, eating only plants.”

A: No dinosaur with posterior facing serrated teeth that are the size of your hand chewed up plants. The skull, and muscle scaring are evidence for meat eating, and biting, tearing, and shredding. Plants don’t put up that big of a fight. But in dinosaurs that did eat plants we see dental batteries, and flattened beaks. No T-Rex ever ate veggies. His gut was not made for it, his teeth were not made for it, and his coprolites say he was eating meat. It is tragic someone is mis-educating children so much and teaching people to be ignorant should be illegal.

7. “In Genesis 6, we read that all flesh (man and animals) had “corrupted his way upon the Earth” (Genesis 6:12). Perhaps people and animals were killing each other; maybe dinosaurs had started killing other animals and humans. In any case, the Bible describes the world as “wicked.”

Because of this wickedness, God warned a godly man named Noah that He was going to destroy the world with a Flood (Genesis 6:13). God therefore commanded him to build a great ship (the Ark) so that all the kinds of land animals (which must have included dinosaurs) and Noah’s family could survive on board while the Flood destroyed the entire Earth (Genesis 6:14–20).

Some people think that dinosaurs were too big, or there were too many of them, to go on this Ark. However, there were not very many different kinds of dinosaurs. There are certainly hundreds of dinosaur names, but many of these were given to just a bit of bone or skeletons of the same dinosaur found in other countries. It is also reasonable to assume that different sizes, varieties, and sexes of the same kind of dinosaur have ended up with different names. For example, look at the many different varieties and sizes of dogs, but they are all the same kind—the dog kind! In reality, there may have been fewer than 50 kinds of dinosaurs.”

A: Approximately 700 species have been named. However, a recent scientific review suggests that only about half of these are based on fairly complete specimens that can be shown to be unique and separate species. These species are placed in about 300 valid dinosaur genera (Stegosaurus, Diplodocus, etc.), although about 540 have been named. Recent estimates suggest that about 700 to 900 more dinosaur genera may remain to be discovered.

Most dinosaur genera presently contain only one species (for example, Deinonychus) but some have more (for example, Iguanodon). Even if all of the roughly 700 published species are valid, their number is still less than one-tenth the number of currently known living bird species, less than one-fifth the number of currently known mammal species, and less than one-third the number of currently known spider species. (Usg.gov)

I made a prior post to combat this amount of ignorance. The dinosaurs were too big, they would have died of starvation, the methane from their stool would have blown up the ark or killed everything inside. They were huge and would have broken the ark. There is more reasons why this story is wrong than why it could be right. Eggs would not have hatched, unless they were sat on, Juveniles would have died of stress. Adults would have been fighting and eating each other. I can’t even comprehend how anyone would want to believe this story.

8.”Interestingly, the word “dragon” is used a number of times in the Old Testament. In most instances, the word dinosaur could substitute for dragon and it would fit very nicely. Creation scientists believe that dinosaurs were called dragons before the word dinosaur was invented in the 1800s. We would not expect to find the word dinosaur in Bibles like the Authorized Version (1611), as it was translated well before the word dinosaur was ever used.”

A: Corinthians…Dragons breathed fire and lived in the waters of the deep. Hmm, nope. No dinosaur has ever been found to likely have breathed fire, and also no dinosaurs were in waters of the deep. We now know the dinosaurs would have been too massive and compression on the lungs would not allow for them to be and stay submerged. Science continues to update its self, but creationism remains stuck.

I am not going to go into the rest of it. Yes there are many speculations as to what happened to the dinosaurs. We are not 100% sure, but we work hard to try and figure out what is true with evidence. Dinosaurs are a mystery because we are still learning. As much as 15 years ago we did not know veloci raptor had feathers, we didn’t know that some dinos had beaks like birds do. But we are finding more fossils and learning. We are changing our ideas about the past by exploring it. We scientists are willing to admit when we are wrong, and move forward. There is less shame in being wrong and finding the truth than being stuck in ignorance. I know that creationists could learn a lot from that. After all how good can science be if your sure of the answer before you learn anything about what you are studying.

My advice to creationists, seek second opinion.

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Author: Rachel Johnson

I am a writer about atheist issues. Separation of the church and state. Women and their right to choose, and sex. I talk about all of the "taboos" of modern life as well as evolution and science.

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